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401(K) Funds Putting Locks On Your Cash

Postby msn » 08 May 2009

401(k) funds putting locks on your cash

Investors trying to pull cash out of their retirement plans, or simply replace the weaker options, are finding their money trapped even as their balances dwindle.
Some investors in 401(k) retirement funds who are moving to grab their money are finding they can't.
Even with recent gains in stocks, the months of market turmoil have delivered a blow to some 401(k) participants, freezing their investments in certain plans. In some cases, individual investors can't withdraw money from certain retirement-plan options. In other cases, employers are having trouble getting rid of risky investments in 401(k) plans.
When Ed Dursky was laid off from his job at a manufacturing company in March, he couldn't withdraw $40,000 from his 401(k) retirement account invested in the Principal U.S. Property Separate Account.
That fund, which invests directly in office buildings and other properties, had stopped allowing most investors to make withdrawals last fall as many of its holdings became hard to sell.
Now Dursky, of Ottumwa, Iowa, is looking for work and losing patience. All he wants, he said, is his money.
"I hate to be whiny, but it is my money," Dursky said.


Limited options at a hard time
The withdrawal restrictions are limiting investment options for plan participants and employers at a key time in the markets. The timing is inconvenient for workers such as Dursky who are laid off and find their savings inaccessible.
Though 401(k) plans revolutionized the retirement savings landscape by putting investment decisions in the hands of individuals, the restrictions show that plan participants aren't always in the driver's seat.
Individual investors might not even be aware of some behind-the-scenes maneuvers causing liquidity problems in their retirement plans. Many funds offered in 401(k) plans lend their portfolio holdings to other investors, receiving in exchange collateral that they invest in normally safe, liquid holdings.
The aim is often to generate a small but relatively reliable return that can help offset fund expenses. But in recent months, many of the collateral investments have gone haywire, prompting money managers to restrict retirement plans' withdrawals from the lending funds.
Some stable-value funds also are blocking the exits. These funds, available only in tax-deferred savings plans such as 401(k)s, typically invest in bonds and use bank or insurance-company contracts to help smooth returns. But in cases of employer bankruptcy and other events that can cause withdrawals, these funds can lock up investor money for months at a time.


Losses expected, but lockups?
Investors in the Principal U.S. Property Separate Account said they understood the risk of losses but didn't think their money could be locked up for months or years. Most participants in the 15,000 plans holding the fund haven't been able to make any withdrawals or transfers since late September.
"To sell property at inappropriately low prices in order to generate cash for a few would hurt the majority of investors and violate our fiduciary obligations," said Terri Hale, a spokeswoman for Principal Financial Group, the fund's parent. The fund, which had $4.3 billion in net assets at the end of April, still is making distributions for death, disability, hardship and retirement at normal retirement age.
As of April 28, redemption requests that had yet to be honored totaled nearly $1.1 billion, or roughly 26% of the fund's net assets. Principal doesn't anticipate that it will make any distributions to investors who have requested redemptions until late 2009 or beyond, Hale said. Meanwhile, the fund continues to fall, declining 25% in the 12 months ending April 30.
Some investors have lost hope of recovering their money. Judith Sterner, a 69-year-old part-time nurse, had more than $12,000 in the fund when she tried to transfer that balance to a money market fund last fall. But her transfer was denied, and her stake has since declined to less than $10,000.
"This $12,000 represents a year of my retirement money that I don't have," said Sterner, of Morton Grove, Ill.


You can still get in, though
Principal still allows new investors into the fund. It categorizes the U.S. Property account as a fixed-income investment, alongside much stodgier funds holding high-quality bonds. New investors are warned of potential withdrawal delays, Hale said. As for the fixed-income categorization, she said, "A substantial portion of the account return is based on income streams from rents, and its returns have been comparable to fixed-income funds."
Although the problems of selling real-estate investments are relatively straightforward, withdrawal restrictions related to securities lending stem from far more obscure practices.
Funds often lend out portfolio holdings, through a lending agent, to other investors. These borrowers give the lender collateral, often amounting to about 102% of the value of the securities borrowed. Some of the collateral pools in which funds invest this collateral held Lehman Bros. debt and other investments that plummeted in value or became hard to trade in the credit crunch.
Though agents who coordinate funds' lending programs share in profits from securities lending, the risk of such collateral-pool losses falls entirely on the funds that have lent the securities and, ultimately, retirement plans and other investors holding those funds.
The problems have limited retirement plans' ability to get out of securities lending programs, though participants' withdrawals generally haven't been affected.


BP goes to court
Retirement plans offered to employees of energy company BP last fall tried to withdraw entirely from four Northern Trust index funds engaged in securities lending. Certain holdings in Northern's collateral pools had defaulted, been marked down or become so illiquid that they could be sold only at low values, according to a BP complaint filed in a lawsuit against Northern Trust.
The BP plans halted new participant investments in the funds and asked to withdraw their cash so it could be reinvested in funds that don't lend out securities.
But under restrictions imposed by Northern Trust in September, investors wishing to withdraw entirely from securities-lending activities would have to take their share of both liquid assets and illiquid collateral-pool holdings, according to a Northern Trust court filing. BP rejected that option, and the companies still are trying to resolve the matter in court.
Northern Trust's collateral pools are "conservatively managed" and focus on liquidity over yield, the company said.
In March, State Street notified investors of new withdrawal restrictions in its securities-lending funds. Until at least the end of the year, plans can make monthly withdrawals of only 2% to 4% of their account balances, the notice said.
Plans wishing to withdraw entirely from lending funds will have to take a slice of beaten-down collateral-pool holdings.
"Given the current state of the fixed-income market, we felt it was prudent to put some well-defined withdrawal parameters in place," State Street spokeswoman Arlene Roberts said.

This article was reported by Eleanor Laise for The Wall Street Journal.
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Postby lkkevin » 08 May 2009

Lost nhiều quá MSN ơi, 5K ko dám logon hay nghĩ tói nữa :buồn:
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Postby lonelyheart » 09 May 2009

Nhưng nếu mình để $ hoài ở trong 401(K) mà mình không muốn withdraw...thì mình có bị mất $ không dzị chị 5K và anh Gấu Trúc? even the market is picking up now... :s :s

Mấy bữa market xuống quá trời under 7,000 points muh...Tim cũng không dám vào account muh nghía....xem mình có bị khủng hoảng không? :buồn: :buồn:

Ông boss của Tim lost over $700K when Lehman Brothers went under...I feel bad and sorry for him :buồn: :buồn:
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Postby msn » 10 May 2009

... Chùi ui, mấy người này lạc đề hết... Bài viết này không phải nói mình lost bao nhiêu... Vấn đề ở đây là người ta muốn rút tiền ra, nhưng funds không cho... What is 401(k)? Tiền để dành sau khi retire lấy ra xài... bây giờ muốn lấy ra, họ không cho, vậy mình bỏ tiền vô làm gì huh???
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Postby pleikey » 11 May 2009

msn wrote:... Chùi ui, mấy người này lạc đề hết... Bài viết này không phải nói mình lost bao nhiêu... Vấn đề ở đây là người ta muốn rút tiền ra, nhưng funds không cho... What is 401(k)? Tiền để dành sau khi retire lấy ra xài... bây giờ muốn lấy ra, họ không cho, vậy mình bỏ tiền vô làm gì huh???

hên quá hồi đó Pleikey bị thất nghiệp lâu wá mà không có job nên rút 401k ra xài hết rùi , bây giờ không cò gì để lo lắng :D
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Postby lkkevin » 11 May 2009

msn wrote:... Tiền để dành sau khi retire lấy ra xài... bây giờ muốn lấy ra, họ không cho, vậy mình bỏ tiền vô làm gì huh???


MSN....lạc đề cho sự than thở của 5K rùi đó.

1. Lấy ra bằng cách.......loan out ra thì OK

2. Tạ sao bỏ thêm làm gì khi bị lost huh? Bởi vì không bỏ vào thì còn đóng income tax nhiều nữa...... :cười: bỏ vào cho income.....tuộc thang xuống chúc xíu
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Postby ieumuathu » 12 May 2009

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ieumuathu wrote:SF dách lầu, :tốt:

Lúc này (401K)price per share đang thấp, let's look at the big picture, trong vòng 5 năm vốn lời sẽ lấy lại đủ :tốt:
Lúc đó rì tai, lấy ra mua lét xịt nhe SF :tốt:


"I had a 401k, it went to a 201k, went to 101k, now it's just K," he said as the crowd laughs. "I'm thinking I got a thousand bucks left, and I can retire for about a week."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/15/money. ... index.html
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sao mí cái vụ 401K or IRA này Út đọc hoài, nghe explain hoài muh cũng tối tâm dzị :s :s
kiểu này dzìa già chắc dọn nhà qua......chị 5/ chị 8 ở (6)

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littlehoney999 wrote:sao mí cái vụ 401K or IRA này Út đọc hoài, nghe explain hoài muh cũng tối tâm dzị :s :s
kiểu này dzìa già chắc dọn nhà qua......chị 5/ chị 8 ở (6)

Út chịu khó đóng lệ phí cho chú Panda học 1 ngày là biết liền :!:
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pleikey wrote:
littlehoney999 wrote:sao mí cái vụ 401K or IRA này Út đọc hoài, nghe explain hoài muh cũng tối tâm dzị :s :s
kiểu này dzìa già chắc dọn nhà qua......chị 5/ chị 8 ở (6)

Út chịu khó đóng lệ phí cho chú Panda học 1 ngày là biết liền :!:


yeah, đúng rùi đó Út :tốt:

Bi giò là đi đút 2 chiếc lét xịt, 5 năm (không phải là 5 CỌP a) sau, nếu bay thêm nữa là 5K níu áo Ieu a :cười:
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lkkevin wrote:
pleikey wrote:Út chịu khó đóng lệ phí cho chú Panda học 1 ngày là biết liền :!:


yeah, đúng rùi đó Út :tốt:

Bi giò là đi đút 2 chiếc lét xịt, 5 năm (không phải là 5 CỌP a) sau, nếu bay thêm nữa là 5K níu áo Ieu a :cười:


anh 7 cho Út tiền đóng học phí phải hông..okie dokie làm liền (6) (6)

chị 5..đúng gì dzị chị :ln: btw...sẳn tiện đút cho em chiếc Bim Mờ nghen :tốt: tiện thi làm luôn chiếc Benz (6)

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... 401(k) msn không tham gia... IRA msn không qualify... Ai có gì thắc mắc cứ hỏi đi, msn trả lời cho :ll: :đàn: :vt:
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littlehoney999 wrote:
lkkevin wrote:
pleikey wrote:Út chịu khó đóng lệ phí cho chú Panda học 1 ngày là biết liền :!:


yeah, đúng rùi đó Út :tốt:

Bi giò là đi đút 2 chiếc lét xịt, 5 năm (không phải là 5 CỌP a) sau, nếu bay thêm nữa là 5K níu áo Ieu a :cười:


anh 7 cho Út tiền đóng học phí phải hông..okie dokie làm liền (6) (6)

chị 5..đúng gì dzị chị :ln: btw...sẳn tiện đút cho em chiếc Bim Mờ nghen :tốt: tiện thi làm luôn chiếc Benz (6)

Chờ huynh lấy mớ tiền bỏ vô 401k đến khi nào co lời sẽ đóng học phí cho Út :!:
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Postby littlehoney999 » 12 May 2009

msn wrote:... 401(k) msn không tham gia... IRA msn không qualify... Ai có gì thắc mắc cứ hỏi đi, msn trả lời cho :ll: :đàn: :vt:


msn nói đó nha....lh999 thắc mắc.....nếu như hổng có $$$$ mượn đở của panda w/out interest được hông (6) để lh999 làm cái IRA account để giành dzìa già xài :D


anh 7 wrote:Chờ huynh lấy mớ tiền bỏ vô 401k đến khi nào co lời sẽ đóng học phí cho Út


anh 7..ghé qua panda lấy đi cho nhanh :!: (6)

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